understood] to generate the open space. so, can this be switched on? oh, here we go, okay. i can manipulate them. they're not very good, but nevertheless what you can see in the area here -- >> you might want to speak into the microphone there. i'm sorry, i can do both of those. that's the space we're talking about where there are the steps where you can see the figure. and to the right would be the place for the new building, which i might add is a very lovely one. and it takes up that amount of space. so, if you look at the bottom picture there, a little closer, i think you'll see it will take up quite a considerable amount of space right to the edge of the public stairway whether maintained well or not is an issue between us and the city.